community. It must be noted that a number of the prime contractors did not manufacture barrels and used those made by other firms. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 1872994. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. Below is a breakdown of the parts: Barrel: Inland. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli, A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. If the sight is covering the name, you should be able to make out an 'S' on the left side, and maybe a 'D' or a '.' In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids. How long ago? Dating a carbine by its serial number alone is difficult and not always accurate given the circumstances inherent with manufacturing and the logistics situation Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. When the narrow L type non-adjustable rear sights were replaced by the adjustable variety during overhaul, the later types were generally staked into place by punch pricks on both sides of the sight base. This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. We can be contacted at the following e-mail address. It has seen some use but most of the markings are in great shape. Our Assessment:ThisSaginaw SG M1 Carbine was built sometime between 1942 and 1944 from the remaining parts at the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. It is a rare M1 Carbine that is 1 part short of being all matching. My IP is in the first serial block--1776xxx. To separate the production of each plant the prime symbol () was marked after the SG on the receivers of the Grand Rapids carbines. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. Model: M1 Carbine. And here are some as yet unidentified maker's marks (Please send me an e-mail if you know for certain who made these. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. To get better and faster responses and opinions. Saginaw M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle Blue Sky Import - C&R - 12500203. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. A total of over 6.1 million M1 carbines of various models were manufactured, making it the most produced small arm for the American military during World War II (compared with It is in very good condition with minor scratching and denting of the stock. It is in about Good condition. The rifle comes with a 15 round magazine. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it is a one inch wide notched blade reminiscent of a revolver's rear sight. Underwood supplied barrels for Saginaw SG (page 50). There are a variety of reasons things may have been changed or simply ignored. Barrel Date: March, 1943 Caliber: .30 Carbine Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine Markings: Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine,ifthe fact it has been restored is passed along to a subsequent purchaser and the weapon is priced accordingly. Resulting in the change of the design to the type V stock. This is not an accurate means of estimating the date the carbine was finally assembled or when it passed its final inspection. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. Top: M1 stock with no cutout for selector switchBottom: Cutout for M2 selector switch inside the left side of the stock. No matter what you hunt, or what type of gun you prefer to hunt with, Guns.com offers options for everyone. Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't mark them. Some stock Such markings can be sanded off by someone wishing to remove such evidence so any sanded areas make the stock suspect. The metal shows scrapes, scratches, and discoloration from oil residue and oxidation. The markings on the 217: M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (Bayonet lug)Used G.I. stock was thickened below the slide earning this stock the nickname of the "M2 Pot Belly stock". Rather than assume the documents were followed to the letter, the serial numbers in tables C-F are presented with the lowest and highest reported to date. A few of the manufacturers used subcontractors to manufacture their receivers. No specific manufacture dates are listed due to a number of reasons explained on pages 24 to 26 of Scott Duffs book, The M1 Carbine Owners Guide. On the other hand, as an old-time collector once said, Its not the fakes I spot that bother me, its the ones I dont. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Ordnance also inspected Yellow Birch is more dense than Black Walnut and therefore slightly harder and heavier. There is insufficient data to determine if every serial number between the lows and highs was duplicated or if it was random. It is in about Very Good Plus to Fine condition. Wood being wood, it is subject to cracks. In all, more than 6.5 million M1 Carbines were produced between September 1941 and August 1945, making it one of the most prolific arms of World War II. and is not a very late production Inland or Winchester, one may rest assured that the piece is a post-war rebuild or has been assembled from parts. Irwin-Pedersendid not produce barrels. were parkerized, the tint and texture of these parts varied. The barrel has been treated with cold blue. Irwin-Pedersen Numbers Reassigned to Saginaw at Grand Rapids. Most WWII carbines had hand guards with two rivets rather than the four rivet hand guards found on later production carbines and many rebuilds. Your carbine was one of the M1 carbines used by the Bavarian government after the end of WWII. An adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug were added, likely for issue during the Korean War. A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. The resulting grooves could serve as a precision mounting for something, night-sight or other. I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. You sir have seemed to have done a lot of research on the history of each manufacture. barrel channel (bottom), Thinner wood along the right side adjacent the slide on the earlier stocks (top) There has to be either a period or apostrophe after each letter of the SG on the receiver heel. If inventory ran out it could shut down production. This rareIrwin-PedersenM1 Carbine is in Very Good Plus condition. Two of the most significant areas to observe are the barrel and rear sight base. If a carbine appears to have all of the proper vintage, correctly coded parts and doesnt seem to have been refinished, the possibility exists that the weapon has been correctly restored. That serial number was issued to Standard Products. of 0.3. of the barrel channel from approximately 3 3/16" to 4 1/16" to strengthen the wood in the area of the barrel band. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. and appears to have come later. The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors. This beautiful firearm is part of a 50+ year old collection! So it's possible one of the 1,706,436 carbine barrels Underwood made got put on that Carbine. Numbers were issued sequentially, beginning where This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. Serial The stock shows several scrapes & scratches. Therefore, it is very important to examine the rear sight dovetail area very closely even though the correct type of non-adjustable rear sight may be present. The quantity of carbines used by their Engineering Section varied so the numbers with each prefix also varied. It looks good and has a strong bright bore. Copyright 2012-document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) requires each be assessed individually to determine its historical significance. Make:Irwin-Pedersen. The muzzle gauges 2.5. During WWII most, but not all, stocks & handguards had manufacturer markings. They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. We buy and sell collectible firearms and militaria ranging from the Civil War to Desert Storm, specializing in WW1 & WW2. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand There is grease residue on the receiver. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. The bottom of the grip is marked with a circled P proof. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in standard for all type V M2 pot belly stocks by all manufacturers. two Ordnance rebuild P's. There is no bayonet lug. Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. The stock is pretty clean and has cartouche markings on it. M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. Our Assessment:The M1 Carbine was developed and produced after WWII started. While most major component parts such as receivers, barrels (with a few exceptions), trigger housings, etc. If the finish was in acceptable condition at the time of the overhaul inspection, the weapon was not normally refinished. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. Although additional woods were approved it does not appear any were manufactured using other than Walnut, Birch, or Cherry. departments within Inland over the years of production. The new serial number was hand stamped on top of the receiver behind the rear sight, in the vicinity of the prior serial number. The SG denotes that it was made for the Inland Division of GM by the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM. Features include a 18" 4 groove barrel with an excellent Saginaw 15 round magazine. Underwood had receivers in various stages of completion left over when their contract ended. During the first half of production the barrels were often mounted on a receiver within 1-2 months of when the barrel was made. My guess is that since the receiver has the SG on the left front, it's probably a Saginaw-Saginaw and not a Saginaw-Grand Rapids (IP). Front sight marked with N. Military Crossed Cannons Cartouche on right mid stock face. the store. Product Information & Specs. Military AAY inspector stamp on left of stock near reciever. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. The smooth push button safety is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 95). On the inside it has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood to strengthen the stock. In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. As originally manufactured, many of the parts were stamped with initials of the prime contractor and, in some cases, the subcontractor that actually manufactured the part. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition. Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun! $145.00 ea. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. At Guns.com, if an FFL is The sling well is marked IR-IP which was used byIrwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 108 109). I've got one with (JJ) in a circle , on the flipper, on a Winchester. This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. Many were constructed using whatever parts SIG Sauer MCX Review: Next-Gen Modern Sporting Rifle? Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. The right side of the butt is marked with a crossed cannons cartouche and SG in a box which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 124). A M1 with high wood is going to bring a high price. All Rights Reserved. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. The Grand Rapids facility stopped carbine production on 01 Jan 1944 but continued to make receivers and trigger housings which were sent to the Saginaw Plant for assembly. The stock seems to be varnished. XA27, XA62, XD14). *Post Reserved in case I run out of space*. I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. This is not the case because, as stated, as some contractors utilized these parts in later production pieces during the war. Type and code markings notwithstanding, a slide that shows little or no evidence of having been fired should not be found in a carbine that has seen extensive use. Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. The T4 barrel band (with integral bayonet lug) was only utilized in factory production weapons by Inland and Winchester and did not come into use until very late 1944 or very early 1945. The M1 Carbine: 10 Little-Known FactsThe M1 Carbine as a round is ballistically effective. Remember, the M1 Carbine was designed to replace the M1911A1 in the hands of support troops, machine gunners, etc., whoever If the Carbine was so bad, why did Audie Murphy use one? Americans most-decorated soldier of World War II, Lt. It was the chosen weapon of our enemy. More items Bore Condition:The bore is bright; semi bright at the muzzle. XA through XD was assigned for use by their Engineering Section on carbines built for testing and evaluation by their engineers. Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). 317XXXX. Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. with Inlands war effort. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. The sling is marked with a blurred stamping between the buckle & strap. The right side of the receiver shows some thinning from cycling. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 65). CARBINE / CAL. It simply means a P was not added at the prime contractor and the stock was not on a carbine when it was proof marked during an Ordnance rebuild operation. Post WWII, the Office of the Chief of Ordnance (OCO) assigned replacement numbers to armories, arsenals, and depots I've spent the day going over my Inland. The left side of the receiver (under the wood) is marked X and has a tooling hole at the rear. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. CARBINE / CAL. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Some were sequential but many were not. This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. Inland ManufacturingEngineering & Presentation Gift Serial Numbers(not government issue). or may have other markings. Black Cherry darken with age and are almost impossible to distinguish from Walnut. NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. due to a lack of original documentation. Doing so may alter The M2 Carbine had a selective fire capability i.e. full auto. Neither the M1 Rifle or the M1 Carbine had a selective fire capability. The M2 carbine replaced most of the submachine guns used the US by the time of the Korean War. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left which is consistent with Saginaw SG and others (page 29). There is no bayonet lug. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. Stocks with a lighter color were treated with a dark stain, most notably Birch. Older Post They should not be altered or fired. It is possible you have an S'G' barrel that was mated to a Stan Prod. It is this Saginaw or Saginaw'. would be used for the U.S. Carbine Models M1 or M1A1, and some of the M2's, were made well after the receiver was completed as all of these models used the same receiver. We'rebringing a level of A wide indention in the wood in this area found on a carbine with a narrow barrel band is another definite indication that the stock in question had the later type of barrel band installed at one time. It's listed with Inland. Do you have anything on safeties? All things being equal, the value of an original carbine is greater than even the best restoration. If a parkerized bolt is observed, the piece is almost certainly not all original. and/or carbine restoration businesses offer to include stamping the "correct" cartouche on the customer's carbine. Late during the production of their type III M1 stocks, Winchester and Inland increased the length for carbines having damaged or obliterated serial numbers. I'm sure it's not all original. This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel majority of M1's converted to select fire were not altered, nor were markings added to indicate a conversion. Rebuild marks are rarely forged as they devalue the carbine in the eyes of most collectors. customers to the absolute best of our abilities. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. PRICE LOWERED BY $500 WAS 5999.99, WARNING! Carbines that have one of these serial numbers may be an Engineering prototype, a "presentation" carbine, or both. The barrel markings are well defined. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which is a Saginaw Gear mark (page 65). Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. Here is my $50 Saginaw S'G' - IP Carbine. Which Saginaw? Documents found in the past have identified several prime contractors who assigned subsets of their serial numbers to their subcontractor(s). Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). The trigger group is marked IP on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). Refer to the page on Post World War II Activities for a list of the markings and further information. American Black Walnut had a long history of Saginaw = SG; Saginaw (Grand Rapids) = SG Standard Products = S; Irwin-Pedersen = IP; IBM = B; Rock Ola = R; National Postal Meter = N; Quality Hardware = Q; Underwood = U; Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. Caliber .30 Carbine Models M1, M1A1 and M2 (1) leftover carbines offered to Ordnance after a company name change and completion of the NPM contract (2) Toolroom Models: Pre Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. Box, Paperwork & Accessories:The rifle has a canvas sling attached. Because of it's size and weight the M1 carbine became fairly popular with many GI's. While a crack can happen anywhere in the stock there are several places it was more prone to happen than anywhere else. This M1 Carbine has been rebuilt and now uses a mix of Inland and USGI parts. Both were Divisions of General Motors. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. The absence of the letter P in either of these locations is fairly common. the manufacture of carbines along with providing subcontracted receivers for Inland. I recently purchased an M1 carbine manufactured by Quality Hardware that has a bayonet lug. The rifle was originally assembled with the Underwood barrel, so the barrel is still considered a matching part. Four of the prime contractors did not have the ability The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. Everything Stamper G.S. That S/N is a Saginaw Grand Rapids number. Markings: There is no visible import mark. An Ordnance supplement The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. General Motors Steering Gear Division. I have a Saginaw M1 Carbine. Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our The smooth push button safety is marked E-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 95 & 185). Thank you. M1 Carbine Markings Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. DIV. The rifle comes with a green canvas sling. due to a lack of original documentation. All original WWII carbine bolts are believed to have been blued. Get a heads up on all of our Sales, Promotions, and news updates (about 1 email per month). We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. another state. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. Therefore, if any other carbine has this type of barrel band, it is not all original. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. Bore Condition:The muzzle and grooves are light gray. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. The stock was also replaced and has no proof markings. These stamps were commercially manufactured for use on the The front sight is marked 6 on the left and N on the top which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and others (page 56). Saginaw Gear made receivers with wide locking tangs. They are a little bit rare, and the price is usually way too high. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your Thicker wood along the right side adjacent the slide (bottom). S-C [stamped sideways] O-S [in curved type] SI SL [circled] The decision for which receivers During the course of production of the Type III stock for the M1 Carbine several manufacturers began making changes http://www.chestnutridge.com/images/inv/CPBP2.asp. own to figure out what you want. The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. This Inland M1 Carbine was made back in 1944. A. When did they change for from SG to S'G' markings? The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Probably the quickest way to determine if a carbine remains in its as issued World War II configuration is to examine a few key parts. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. They were located in different cities. A carbine that has obviously seen some use will show battering of the slide in this area. If a stock has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood but is absent the cutout for the Most of these marks are light or small. The Type IA barrel band is marked UP which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 59). Winchester continued this practice with their type IV M2 stocks and it became the We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. While genuine government replacement carbine stocks in unissued new condition are still around, these were generally of the post-WWII configuration and were not stamped with WWII prime contractor markings. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. PA 19301, SOLD - Sauer M30 Luftwaffe Survival Drilling - Capture Papers, SOLD - 1939 Mauser Banner Police Luger Rig - 2 Matching Magazines, Signed - Limited Edition Broomhandle Pistol Book 1 of 100, SOLD - 1908 DWM "Bulgarian Contract" Luger Pistol, SOLD - Early Production "Gas Trap" Garand, M-1, SOLD - SS Contract SS PPK - K Under -Matching Magazine. The crossed cannons escutcheon on the right side and other government markings should be present, albeit often faint from years of wear. That's peDersen with a "D", by the way. for you to submit by CLICKING HERE. Ordnance had left off with serial number blocks assigned during WWII. IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. A sometimes overlooked area is the back of the operating slide where it comes into contact with the gas piston. The hammer is marked IP which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 89). I have some other shooters so this one has been a safe queen. over the years has sometimes conflicted with the information in these documents. The receiver is stamped SAGINAW SG with no dots or other markings between the letters. Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. Caveat Emptor! Many online gun sales actually take away from your local The bore shows an M.E. That way, were helping small businesses in contact us using the forum. We did not fire this rifle. Need Help Identifying Marks and value on My New SG M1. Thinning on the trigger group. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. We would like to encourage you to share information you may have that will help reconstruct what was actually done versus planned. 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